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KOCC - "the" club of champions
« on: January 05, 2010, 12:11:33 pm »
We have all heard our HDCC friends boast about how their club is the premiere racing club.  Sure, they have some very good people some of whom have raced with great success, and some who continue to do so.  At the risk of sounding like that feral flea bag Felix the Cat, it seems to me that KOCC is THE club for champions.  Here are just some examples:

Ian Chapman - Olympian, Commonwealth Games silver medallist and much more you will not hear him bragging about.

Olivia Gollan - Olympian, former National Road Woman of the Year, member of national teams for 6 or so years, and active and successful pro cyclist.

Glenn Stojanow - while not currently licensed with KOCC due to his obligations to his team, he remains a member of KOCC.  Former NSW Roadman of the Year. 

Joe Lewis - current pro with Drapac, and done well locally, interstate etc.

Geoff S Troup - current KOCC A Grade crit champion.

and last but not least:



Commuter - 2008 KOCC B grade champion



- well, nearly..... :-X
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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 01:54:31 pm »

and  World Masters Women 6 Sprint Champion

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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 02:02:00 pm »
Commuter, You are not mistaken! Speaking with your wife, it seems that may be the first time...
« Last Edit: January 05, 2010, 02:25:29 pm by Metro Commuter »
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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 02:11:58 pm »
Oh, one of my friends from HDCC has reminded me if the following:

Jarrod (brother to OneOne) Wood - winning shiploads of races on road and track for a while now.

Noodles - has some good cycling results but is gifted in many other ways that can not be shared on these family oriented boards.

Darren "Go Steve" Smith -  current KOCC A grade Champ( but was still 2nd behind Troupie in the A grade Championship Crit race) and this happened not too long after he suffered potentially life threatening injuries that left him with a will to win matched only by Lance Armstrong.

I forgot to mention Witho - rumoured to be the 2011 KOCC A grade Roadman of the Year...

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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 02:28:39 pm »

and  World Masters Women 6 Sprint Champion


Now Gai, that sort of gloating will just make Commuter feel inadequate.  Please continue.
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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 04:07:34 pm »
Metro

I'll never feel inadequate, with you as a friend........................



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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 04:51:23 pm »
Yes, I am known as a person who helps people to see past their inadequacies and make the most of the little that they have. But, sadly, I have not been of much help to you to date - it is like global warming - the problem is just so large and overwhelming.  Disappointing.
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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 06:25:47 pm »

and  World Masters Women 6 Sprint Champion


KOCC also has world masters games womens masters 3 sprint champion as well.

And NSW Elite 1km time trial champion Paddy Killmurray, who also ran 4th in the kierin.

Now just think about how many champions and potential champs we would have in one club in Newcastle if we combine the two.

Then add the possibility of champion teams for events such as time trial and pursuit.
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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2010, 06:02:22 pm »
Boosty,

Dream the dream son. I can't see it happening. My understanding is that a certain element within KOCC want HD to prepare a document outlining the proposed merger. The problem is, HD don't know what KOCC want. KOCC need to form a sub-committee or hold a meeting away from their monthly meeting and invite feedback. It will only happen if people in KOCC get off their arse. HD, in the spirit of compromise and goodwill, suggested such a thing in the interests of cycling. Perhaps there is another agenda at play or people fear what they don't know. If this is the case, start saving so that you can re-surface Paradise Hills.

The Ferret is set to join a breakaway club simply to avoid the politics locally. Watch this space. As matters have stalled, it is rumoured such a club will get off the ground, on the proviso other clubs remain Cat 4. That way, they don't need a course, just a flimsy constitution (that doesn't distinguish it from other local clubs) and no volunteers/officials are required, just an Executive. I have heard a rumour the kit is being made now!! This can probably only serve to put the same, if not more, pressure on the limited number of volunteers in existence now. Obviously, those not wanting change will get their wish.........at the expense of cycling in general. You people are a handbrake on your own clubs. Be the champion club that you think you are. Shalom

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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2010, 07:02:47 pm »
Ferret,

I too have heard of rumours of this breakaway club - it may well be the same one that you have considered joining.  Interestingly many I know have indicated an interest in doing so have been the subject of my attemots to out you!

As I understand it, those interested in joining the breakaway club are more than a little pissed at the inability of KOCC to cater for riders in the upper two grades, that the merger might be one way that they can ride races that challenge and interest them hosted by their own club,  and the perception that some within the KOCC hierarchy are "soft pedalling" on this merger because they have this insane view that KOCC is meeting the needs of all of its members. 

As I understand it, this is what has occurred to date:

1.  HDCC approached KOCC with a view to talking about a possible merger - nothing more.  HDCC, rightly in my view, wanted to have a conversation because it had no idea what KOCC might think about merger, and invited KOCC to respond. It was a genuine and positive approach.

2.  KOCC took too long to respond, and did so only after polite requests for a response from HDCC.  Not sure whether it was just circumstances, ineptitude or just "softpedalling". Unfortunate.

3.  The President and Secretary of HDCC attend the GM that followed the KOCC AGM in December 2009.  While they both went off on tangents that seemed to have confused some of the KOCC members present and were used by other KOCC members to attack the proposal (these people seem to have watched a bit too much Judge Judy IMPO), the clear thrust of what President Mick and iLovell  said was "a merger is good for cycling and good for the clubs, let's have a conversation".  To see some of the KOCC naysayers trying to cross-examine two people who were there with good intent and who were ultimately guests of KOCC was unfortunate.

4.  The conversation that then followed at the KOCC followed Ian and Mick's departure was typical self-serving nonsense from some at KOCC "we are the only club that caters for all grades" - interestingly from people who I have not seen throw a leg over a bike with a number on their back for a long while.  There was some "shock" when a few of our most respected elite level riders voiced their views, to the effect that they were not well catered for and were not happy. Do not know why there was shock as I have been saying the same thing for a long time - back when I was in B grade (so you all know it was a while ago).

5.  Nothing much has happened since.

6.  Some of the HDCC and KOCC people who support merger are convinced that the lack of progress signals a doomed merger proposal, and whispers about a small breakaway club have started.

FWIW, I think those who think merger is dead are being unduly pessimistic, with due respect to them.  They are letting the softpedallers win.  To use a cycling analogy - there is a huge bunch in support of the concept of merger, and a few slow naysayers manage to get a break, and the bunch stops pedalling.  FFS, the bunch needs to chase and attack with the vigour that Ebo chases Stoj down, or Vets members chase other Vets members down during a public holiday race.

With the exception of the core naysayers in KOCC and perhaps one person on the HDCC Committee, I have not heard anyone say merger is a bad idea - some have said there are issues that need to be worked out, and they are 100% correct.

If KOCC do not intiate the proposed discussions, because there are softpedallers stalling the process, then perhaps HDCC can come up with a concrete proposal to put to KOCC, and if necessary supportive KOCC members can trigger a Special Meeting of KOCC if that proposal is not given proper and timely consideration.  I know there are many KOCC members, me included, who would be happy to sit down with HDCC and work out a concrete proposal.

Good to have you back Ferry.  How is Venice?

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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2010, 07:37:54 pm »
Metro,

Thank you for a very considered response. I think you have summed the situation up perfectly. Again, it is unfortunate as I consider the HD approach to be in the correct spirit. I am guilty of adopting a slightly pessimistic view. But if you had been around as long as The Ferret, you would know why. Transparency is the key. It is apparent HD sought to put discussion in the public domain. It appears as though KOCC prefer to do so behind closed doors and anonymity. I hate anonymity........

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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2010, 09:30:43 pm »
There continues to be riders in both clubs missing out on the racing they need due to the continued 'softpedalling' on this issue. There are some who cant get on with certain people from the alternate club, where if they were to be truly honest with themselves, they could say the same about some within their own club - thats life people! we cant get along with everyone, it doesnt mean we have to run different clubs because of this.

Someone said to me at a Cycling meeting tonight that he knows of riders who regularly speak of some 'mongrel' who cut them off, or bumped them out of line in a race 40 years ago. They still dont talk due to this. While this kind of crap continues amongst those of us who are within this minority sport, what bloody hope have we got. Get over yourselves softpedallers, we can get something going here that could be unreal. Think of it, a true off road circuit, an off road crit circuit, and then hopefully a couple more, with some fully lit for night racing AND night training. Proper club houses, meeting rooms....COFFEE MACHINES!!!!  Pipe dreams? I know some of them are NOT! but it will be a lot easier for those of us trying to get it to happen if we are all batting with the SAME FCKING BAT!

I have been a member of both clubs, and they are both good clubs. But we could have a GREAT club if they merged. The minute (which unfortunatley will happen) that a rider gets bumped by a truck during a race on Paradise Hills, it will be the end of all racing there. Please lets not wait till that happens before we realise we need to act.


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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 02:34:45 am »
Robbo,

Well typed but you forgot the biggest plus of a merged club - club championships that actually have meaning.
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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2010, 10:16:34 am »
Ferry,

I understand your perspective, but history is one of the reasons the naysayers in KOCC resist.  Both clubs, and their respective members, need to take the good things from history, and leave the negative baggage behind, as Robbo effectively suggests, and as a man with more years under his belt than me, I defer to his accumulated wisdom.

The naysayers in my club are, for the most part, decent nice people.  They have a view, that they are entilted to have even if it is one I do not agree with, that KOCC is the bestest cycling club ever, and HDCC is not as good and (perhaps) there is little benefit in merger.  Some probably see HDCC as something slightly more evil than the Nazi regime.

What makes people have such views? 

Plenty of religions thrive out of a sense that if you belong to religion A you will get a range of benefits that those belonging to a nearly identical religion will not.  It is perhaps not coincidental that some of the naysayers are deeply religious, and so such thoughts are an inherrent part of how they view the world.  Fair enough.

Some of these people may simply want life to continue as it is now - they like racing the same flat boring course week in week out, in the same grade.  Merger will not put an end to that, but they might fear it will.  So you deal with that in terms of how a merged club would deal with the interests of these people, who (I am confident) are in the lower grades.

Others may fear that their perceived importance in the small pond that is KOCC might be less important in the larger pond that might be HD&KOCC - these are the people who get a sense of pride or self from being a somebody in KOCC.  These people are often volunteers who do not race, and merger needs to give them some assurance that they will remain valued and important.  However, they should not get a disproportionate degree of influence either, as they sometimes do IMHO.

So, I see it as largely positive.
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Re: KOCC - "the" club of champions
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 12:41:51 pm »
Metro,

Let the KOCC web person know their job is not at risk from a merger...