KOCC Crits @ Steel River

[Metro Commuter]

Fewrret
True, there could be false allegations made to a Commissaire about poor conduct riding home or indeed in a race - that is part of the Commissaire's role. False allegations can and are made to police, and the criminal justice does deal with this.

Consider this - 20 cyclist dob in a dopey A grader for running a red on the way home. Many have no apparent axe to grind with the said dope. The stories of the witnesses hang together and the dope's denial does not. It would be reasonable for the Commissaire to sanction the dope.

The dope does have some appeal rights.

The other flaw in the contention that if a commissaire does not see somethig it did not happen is what if the commissaire has bias himself or herself? Mates or those he or she has some kind of relationship or fondness of?

Doing nothing is silly

[The Ferret]

Metro,

I concur completely son. You should take up law.........

Your friend

The Ferret

[Metro Commuter]

Ferret,

No - law sucks as a profession.  I would like to pursue a career as a professional racing cyclist, but I fear there is not many people who might be prepared to pay me to race in State F grade...better call Dr B - he might see a marketing potential amongst the elders I will be racing against in State F grade.  I hope there are no nasty crashes in F grade again this year's G2T.

MC
 

[The Ferret]

Metro,

Look on the bright side son. No on ewill have to explain what happened in the crash. In F Grade, you will see it first hand. Shalom

Your friend

The Ferret

[Snel]

from memory its a standard 56$ fine across the board for all cycling related offences.
dont pay it and the SDRO cancel your drivers licence until you do.
but thats only if police witness it.

[Metro Commuter]

Snel,

What I was referring to is fines imposed by a Commissaire under CNSW Rules.  That is seperate to a traffic offence under the Road Rules 2008.

I recall a year or two ago riders in the G2T who were observed crossing the double line coped a Penalty Infringement Notice from the Police AND a fine from the Commissaire.

[Snel]

Metro,
i think i know one of those riders, he wasnt having a good day on the bike anyway
and im pretty sure its the road transport and safety management act from 1999
before that it was just the australian road rules and none of the laws had changed since the mid 70s.

the commissaire banning a rider for a month or so is a much bigger detterent than a 50 fine.

[Metro Commuter]

Snel

The Australian Road Rules were the first "national" rules and they were replaced by the Road Rules 2008.  From memory - it is a while since I have looked at this - the ARR were adopted under the Road Transport (Safety and Traffic Management) Regulation and the RR2008 are adopted, in NSW, under the parent Act to that Regulation.
 

[The Ferret]

Gee Snel,

7 posts from you, 3 have been wrong. Lucky you're not a navy clearance diver with such a hit/miss ratio........   Shalom

Your friend

The Ferret

[Snel]

Metro,
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_reg/rr2008104/
so it is
i stand corrected
NSW Road rules 2008 ,introduced 1st march 2010.
formerly road transport traffic management act 1999.
the way i had it explained to me was it was a LEPRA style changeover in 1999 from ARR to Road transport safety traffic management act 1999. They kept the good and then supplemented the out of date rules.  we where shown some of the old road rules that where still around in 1998 and they where so out of date it was ridiculous.  the tutor had been HWP in Newcastle since 1982 and retired shortly after the changeover in 99.

[Metro Commuter]

Snel - training you get as a cop is pretty good but it is limited and directed to getting you out issueing tickets.  Most tickets will stick but a small number will not because of technicalities.  No point giving every cop a law degree - better to teach them enough to get it right most of the time and defend themselves. The police force is just a numbers game.