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FLandis finally comes clean. Names LA, JB and Co....
« on: May 20, 2010, 04:57:23 pm »
Ok, Floyd CLAIMS HE has finally come clean about his doping past and CLAIMS HE is gonna reveal all about doping practices ALLEGING he was introduced to by Johan Bruyneel and Lance Armstrong at US postal Service. and ALSO ALLEGING that Andy Rihs owner of Phonak personally paid for when he changed to them in 04. (Also i believe Rihs is still involved with BMC) He also ALLEGES names other top US riders such as George Hincapie, Dave Zabriskie and Levi Leipheimer. It all apparently started when someone leaked a letter he sent to a high profile US Cycling official about his doping, at Postal and methods on how it is done.

Cyclingnews apparently got the ball rolling when the somehow got some of this info

Cyclingnews article about FLandis letter

And now ESPN and Wall Street Journal have even more facts about the letter and the accusations against high profile US riders:

ESPN Article
Wall Street Journal Article
« Last Edit: May 20, 2010, 11:52:03 pm by Metro Commuter »

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El I,

at this stage there are a lot of allegations in what he is emailing, and he admits in these communications that he has no proof. Hence it would be best not to refer to them as fact at this stage.

Personally I strongly hope they are proven not to be fact and that it is just the ranting of a disenchanted ex team mate. The damage to cycling everywhere for so many high profile people to be proven as cheats would be huge. It would affect and quite possibly limit our ability to attract funding, new riders, keep cycling events at the Olympic games etc etc.

Like LA or not, should he be proven to not be clean it will still affect you and your cycling here in Newcastle, and not for the positive. Is that really something to be repeatedly excited about?

There are many positive things going on in Newcastle cycling at present. It would be great if this continued without the hinderance of negative actions happening elswhere that we cant control.

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Relax Robbo.  The actual extent of doping affecting us?  Nah.

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Hb,
have a read of it all on cycling news. There are a lot of people including one of Australia's favourites listed in there.
Should Landis' claims proove to be true, the effects will indeed be wide reaching. Obtaining funds for the many things we need for cycling in Newcastle is difficult enough as it is. It would be virtually impossible if his claims are proven. Thats not something to be settled down about.
Having said that, I doubt his claims will go far. It appears many in the media have had the story for a while and can see that it lacked proof so they hadnt printed it. Or so the story goes.

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finally come clean about his doping past


The only things we take these day slow us down.

Yours

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keep it rubber side down

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2nd Wheel,

If you keep taking those things you might need your track stand skills...

Back to topic.  Important to remember they are simply allegations, they are allegations  made by a man who has given inconsistent versions of the same issue in the past and makes them at a time that would seem to be designed to provide maximum press coverage, and the allegations have been denied by those who are subject to them.  We are not going to get any closer to the truth on this forum - none of us know anyhting, and our opinions will be informed by the media (dodgy source of information) or what some one told someone  who told someone who knows.  As someone who deals with facts and evidence on a daily basis.

I tend to assume people are innocent until it is PROVEN otherwise.

I just hope ASO does not boot all the named persons out of TdF.  It is looking to be a great TdF this year, and I am looking forward to it even more than beating Commuter tomorrow.

MC



Well, no merger so far....

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Ok so apparently 3 emails of floyd's were leaked, this is supposed to be one of them:


2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel
during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a
helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San
Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg
patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week
later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be
transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not
witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on
our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution
of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the
inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in
the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari,
who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he
did not believe Mr Farrari and contin
ued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.

2003: After a broken hip in the winter, I flew to Gerona Spain where this
time two units (half a liter each) were extracted three weeks apart. This
took place in the apartment in which Mr. Armstrong lived and in which I was
asked to stay and check the blood temperature every day. It was kept in a
small refrigerator in the closet allong with the blood of Mr Armstrong and
George Hincapie and since Mr. Armstrong was planning on being gone for a few
weeks to train he asked me to stay in his place and make sure the
electricity didn't turn off or something go wrong with the referigerator.
Then during the Tour de France the entire team, on two different occasions
went to the room that we were told and the doctor met us there to do the
transfusions. During that Tour de France I personally witnessed George
Hincapie, Lance Armstrong, Chechu Rubiera, and myself receiving blood
transfusions. Also during that Tour de France the team doctor would give my
room mate, George Hincapie an
d I a small syringe of olive oil in which was disolved andriol, a form of
ingestible testosterone on two out of three nights throughout the duration.

I was asked to ride the Vuelta a Espana that year in support of Roberto
Heras and in August, between the Tour and the Vuelta, was told to take EPO
to raise my hematocrit back up so more blood transfusions could be
performed. I was instructed to go to Lances place by Johan Bruyneel and get
some EPO from him. The first EPO I ever used was then handed to me in the
entry way to his building in full view of his then wife. It was Eprex by
brand and it came in six pre measured syringes. I used it intravenously for
several weeks before the next blood draw and had no problems with the tests
during the Vuelta. Also during this time it was explained to me how to use
Human Growth Hormone by Johan Bruyneel and I bought what I needed from Pepe
the team "trainer" who lived in Valencia along with the team doctor at that
time. While training for that Vuelta I spent a good deal of time training
with Matthew White and Michael Barry and shared the testosterone and EPO
that we had and discu
ssed the use thereof while training.

Again, during the Vuelta we were given Andriol and blood transfusions by the
team doctor and had no problems with any testing.

2004: Again the team performed two seperate blood transfusions on me, but
this time Bruyneel had become more paranoid and we did the draws by flying
to Belgium and meeting at an unknown persons appartment and the blood was
brought by "Duffy" who was at that time Johans assistant of sorts. The
second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of
a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine
trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the
entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time
that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the
other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong, George
Hincapie and I as the only Americans.

2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion
technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant
to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare
the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper
temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my
hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before
the start so as to not start with a deficit.

2006: Well you get the idea....... One thing of great signigicance is that
I sat down with Andy Riis and explained to him what was done in the past and
what was the risk I would be taking and ask for his permission which he
granted in the form of funds to complete the operation described. John
Lelangue was also informed by me and Andy Riis consulted with Jim Ochowitz
before agreeing.

There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the
process of writing into an intelligible story but since the position of USA
Cycling is that there have not been enough details shared to justify calling
USADA, I am writing as many as I can reasonably put into an email and share
with you so as to ascertain what is the process which USA Cycling uses to
proceed with such allegations.

Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can
be trusted to do the right thing.

Floyd Landis


There are alot of names in it including: LA, George H, Levi L, Dave Zabriskie, Johan B, Matt White, LA's ex wife, Andy Rihs (current owner of BMC racing team), John Lelangue (Cadel's current DS), Jim Ochowitz, Allen Lim (Radioshack nutritionist and jack of all trades), Michael Barry (current SKY rider), all the 2004 USP tour de france team ie. LA, Landis, GH, Pavel Padrnos, Checu Ruberia, José Azevedo, Manuel Beltrán, Viatcheslav Ekimov, Benjamín Noval.

I just don't get why he would name names if he doesn't have proof. I think i read on one of the news outlets articles on it, that Floyd said he has training diaries and logs. Whether they count as evidence or not who knows.

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Team Radioshack has published his emails on its website apparently. There is a thread on it on cycling news.

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Just read the cyclingnews story with the email trail. Pretty crazy.

It will be a movie one day.

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New article by the New York Times, but it was one part in particular that caught my eye:

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Two people Landis has accused of doping said on Friday that they had been contacted by antidoping officials who had asked them to cooperate with an investigation in exchange for leniency. Those people did not want their names published because they are still deciding if they want to come forward.

It is from here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/22/sports/cycling/22cycling.html

Who do you think might come forward??   GH?, DZ?, Tyler H?, Matt W?

Is the House of Cards that is the Armstrong Empire about to come crashing down???
« Last Edit: May 22, 2010, 03:25:14 pm by El Imbatido »

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Again - media reports are not an ideal basis for getting at the truth.
Well, no merger so far....

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Wow, such excitement El I.

Have fun trying to get some sleep before the next article...