Looking 4wd to Benefit night

[THOR]

Well its only a week away and the Loveboat has been working his tail off selling tickets. The mighty THOR will be present and looking forward to the entertainment. It will be a great night and a fantastic way to show how Newcastle cycling supports its fellow riders

I hear Big Metro will be accompanied by little Metro and a very talented main singer who intends on bringing the roof down....
 

[Metro Commuter]

Thor - he is indeed a talented singer and a natural showman.

If there is support for an encore our singer will display his razor wit as well.

[crank-yanker]

Apparently the winner of E grade at KI on Saturday donated his prizemoney to this worthy cause, a very commendable thing to do.

Unfortunately the mail is that he did so after copping a spray (from a "senior" rider) for sitting on the back. I don't disagree with the sentiment but it sounds like it was handled pretty badly. Wouldn't be surprised if that young fellow doesn't come back.

[Masso]

Crank-yanker

Being a commissarie i am disappointed when i hear that riders think they have some right to abuse another rider as to whether they do or do not do any turns during a race (there are no regulations that say you have to do turns, it is only etiquette) The rider that was abused should have taken his concerns to the Commas sire of the day.

[crank-yanker]

Apparently the commisaire spoke to him & explained the etiquette & also spoke to the rider who abused him. This probably isn't the thread to discuss this but I wonder if the commisaire suggested the donation or if it was his own idea?

[Metro Commuter]

Crank-yanker

Being a commissarie i am disappointed when i hear that riders think they have some right to abuse another rider as to whether they do or do not do any turns during a race (there are no regulations that say you have to do turns, it is only etiquette) The rider that was abused should have taken his concerns to the Commas sire of the day.

Masso,

I agree people should not be abused (as in foul language) but I have been pulled up in the past for expressing, in strong and perhaps unfavourable terms, my disdain at perpetual wheelsitters - the same people, week in, week out, who only come through in the sprint and then stuff that up as well.  Yeah, I know, the answer is to be strong enough to ride my own race and beat the lazy people in the sprint, but it is just poor form.

I expect many do not want to go running off the the Commissaire all the time - it is kind of like dobbing, and most prefer to deal with it personally.

MC

[Haddo]

Metro, I struggle to see too much wrong with the people you describe,

"the same people, week in, week out, who only come through in the sprint and then stuff that up as well"

Firstly they dont rip your legs off and make you suffer too much, and then they fail to take the prize money off you at the end as well. Seems like a win win situation for you.

[Masso]

Metro

CA's code of conduct( only section of)

4. KEY ELEMENTS
All persons who are bound by this code shall:
·  Act in a manner which is compatible with the interests of CA;
·  Accord people involved in cycling with the appropriate courtesy, respect and regard for their rights and obligations;
·  Treat people’s property with respect and due consideration of its value;
·  Show a positive commitment to CA’s policies, rules, procedures, guidelines and agreements;
·  Respect the law and customs of the places they visit;
·  Respect the confidentiality of information which they receive in the course of fulfilling their duties;
·  Uphold the standing and reputation of cycling within Australia;
·  Not misuse provided funds or property belonging to another party; and
·  Observe and comply with the Anti Doping Rules set out in the CA Doping Policy.

5. UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR
This list provides examples of behaviour deemed to be unsuitable and not in the best interests of the sport.
·  ‘Sledging’ other athletes, officials or event organisers. Sledging is defined as a statement that is deemed to
denigrate and/or intimidate another person, or behaviour likely to constitute emotional abuse.
·  Excessive use of alcohol, acting in a way that becomes a public nuisance, or creating a public disturbance.
·  Damaging another person’s property or depriving them of that property.
·  Sexual relations between an appointed official and a junior athlete (under the age of consent), irrespective of the
wishes and desires of the athlete. In all other cases such relations are strongly discouraged.
·  Any physical contact with athletes shall be appropriate to the situation and be necessary for the further development
of the athlete's skill.
·  The use or encouragement of the use banned substances. (The banned substance list is as outlined under CA’s
Anti-Doping Policy.)
·  Statements which are deemed to denigrate the group that an individual is representing.
·  Any type of gambling, betting or organisation of betting at any cycling event, while competing, officiating or
undertaking a management role.
·  Any form of harassment.

[Boostland]

·  Any type of gambling, betting or organisation of betting at any cycling event

I am guilty of that one, I commented that I was putting my money on Commuter taking out the C grade KOCC championships, after observing him sitting in the bunch looking cool calm and collected while doing it rather easy two laps before the finish, this of course means I was out of my race sipping cola at the club house many laps before the finish of course

[Metro Commuter]

The relevant points are

CA's code of conduct( only section of)
4. KEY ELEMENTS
All persons who are bound by this code shall...(A)ccord people involved in cycling with the appropriate courtesy, respect and regard for their rights and obligations;
5. UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR
This list provides examples of behaviour deemed to be unsuitable and not in the best interests of the sport.
·  ‘Sledging’ other athletes...sledging is defined as a statement that is deemed to denigrate and/or intimidate another person, or behaviour likely to constitute emotional abuse.

The appropriate level of respect and courtesy for a wheel sucking no turn cretin is?   A requirement to give appropriate respect and courtesy does not require you to be nice to people, or refrain from expressing opinions that a person might not like.  I will, however, in the future, say "With respect, you might consider taking a turn sometime this race old chap" - less likely to be a problem than the "take a turn you parasite", which I have thought of saying...

I agree with the concept of banning sledging, but they (CNSW) need to define what that means better than the Rules currently provide.  The CNSW Rules are, in a legal sense, woefully inadequate.  Who "deems" what is sledging and what is acceptable encouragement or an expression of opinion?  The problem is there are no properly defined criteria that outlines what is acceptable and what is not, and (if these things ever get to Court) the onus will be on CNSW or CA to prove its allegations against a rider. Ask 20 riders what they think and you will get 27 different answers, and I guess ask 5 commissaires and you will get at least 5 different answers.

Just sayin'

[crank-yanker]

Importantly though, the "sledgee" was a young starter-outer. A quiet word in his ear would have been more appropriate than abuse if we want to encourage his continued participation.

Also, it was a classic "he who is without sin cast the first stone" situation as the "sledger" is apparently notorious for avoiding any time on the front himself.

[Metro Commuter]

Well, that is just poor form on the part of the sledger, who is not only a wheelsucker but a bully. My two pet hates, both well behind there being no apple pies at Thompsons when I returned from lunch.

 If he (the sledger)  ever gets up to a grade I am, or (more likely) I ever get down to a grade he is in, I will give him a respectful non-abusive non-sledging dissertation of why his approach to racing is substandard.  Tally ho,.

[giantcfr1]

I hope the young starter-outer goes back and races again. In time he will learn the appropriate unwritten conduct in a bike race. The more experienced riders should help him and encourage him. When i first started out at 12 i struggled to keep up with the adults but they'd help get me to the line and tell me to go for it. Sometimes a couple of them would drop back and drag me to the pack. It was very encouraging and as i got stronger i repayed the favour from time to time. It was good to have a bunch of guys who realised that a club race is not the Tour De France. Even in the Tour the key riders have a team to do all of the work for them.

[Daddy Walrus]

Metro,

When you are in B grade by the end of the year all of us wheel sucking C graders will just be a distant memory.

[Gai M]

I wasn't present at the race in question, so my information is second-hand.

I understand that the "young starter upper" was well beyond the age of 12. Like twice.

The "senior" rider is indeed that.  He is quite older than I, and that is truly senior.


If all the results info is correct, then the rider in question was fourth in the KOCC TT Egrade , so should have no doubts of his capability to take a turn.

It does get very frustrating for really older riders (like me and the "senior") to train really hard, take some turns and then be mowed down by some young man, (that was man, not boy) who use their natural strength to cruise past us in the last kilo or less.  Once or twice, we can hack, but sometimes it gets to be too often and almost predictable when these "parasites" don't get promoted or are relegated after one or two higher level races.


I stress I was not a witness to the event and I am just expressing an individual point of view.